We’re back in business. How could we not be – today of all days. There are so many things that we could discuss – a Whale on the loose, a Dolphin run amok, a Basset feeding kittens, horrific tales of woe from the mess that is Haiti, a right royal Willy shaking hands, a Cockatoo with a cock or too, and a Fish on the comeback trail. But most of all, a giant bronze Crayfish cage plonked down on Lambton Quay, with a pinecone stuck inside. Oh, there is too much irony in the world to waste time with platitudes – knives and forks ready – let’s get stuck in.
But hold up already. Up until now we’ve been ambivalent about the Supreme Court – well, yes, some of you may remember that we were somewhat incandescent with rage over the cost blow up (at $80million all up, including $15million cost over-runs, we each paid $20 in tax for this little judicial number), others may recall that the old court building is to sit virtually moribund and unused while the new glossy neighbour gets all the kudos, and still others of you may remember that there seems to be a curious similarity to this kindergarten. The network news tonight though had me fair fuming: yet again, a piece of modern architecture gets the hack down from the smarmy gits on TV without even an single IQ worth of thoughtful comment. Raybon Kan and Petra Bagust, go to the back of the class and sit quietly facing the wall – you’re in disgrace.
No doubt in time the vast architectural publishing press of Aotearoa will get it together and publish a piece by Tommy Honey or Bill McKay, waxing wonderfully over the polish of the patina on the glowing bronze screen. In time we (the public, who paid for this monument to cockups) will get to see inside, in an effort to regain some of the PR badly needed on this giant cage we call the Supreme Court. Even tomorrow morning, I’m guessing, the Dom Post will have tackled the prickly subject of the weirdest building in town, and sent a photographer to document the careful way that the ‘kauri-cone’ motif inside the giant dome carefully overlap each other: along with no doubt more ‘vox-pop’ from the great architectural cogniscenti that is the general public.
There’s time enough for all that to happen of course. The architects, Warren and Mahoney (of course, no longer with an actual Warren or an actual Mahoney on board), are staying schtumm on this – as they always do. It’s a pity really that architects don’t have the courage of their own convictions, declining to comment when they should be standing up for their buildings – in case their buildings can’t stand up for themselves. Comments from the public aired so far include “I don’t like it that much – its a bit flashy”, or the erudite and informed “it looks unfinished – looks like scaffolding”, the curiously confident “like a birdcage”, the frankly unhelpful comment from the Justice Department “there are motifs and little bits of detail all over the building” and the key comment from our great leader “ooh, aaah, mixed reviews – its breathtaking inside – no, i don’t think its too bad outside, i just prefer the inside”.
More thoughtful commentary would go a long way. Way back in March 2009, there was a decent amount of comments from some of our well-read followers – with Honeywood noting that the dome inside was depressingly recessed:
“Externally, the Supreme Court is proportionately the perfect podium in need of completion. WAM have positioned the dome post-earthquake. Where is the architectural courage when most we need it? We finally wrest supreme legal power from mother’s apron strings and then we ameliorate and reduce it in pursuit of egalitarianism. Why are we obsessed with all things being equal? The law is the one thing that is above us. Why does this piece of architecture not recognize and acknowledge this? The most disturbing part of the cross-section is where the judges sit – at the same level as the petitioners. What were they thinking? Should we not look up to the learned and receive wisdom from upon high? A prime architectural opportunity wasted.”
Its a good point, Honeywood, but does it really matter? Is there a need for the judicuary to be placed up higher on a pedestal? Personally I would rather they didn’t get above their station: I rank architects as far higher moral beings than lawyers on the whole: and while the law may be an ass, I seldom think that architects are. We may have a wrapping screen of stylized pohutukawa, made from 90 tonnes of recycled bronze radiators, while others used a stylized grass motif of probable plastic for their doppelganger: “Das obere Geschoss erhält eine vorgesetzte Fassade in Form stilisierter Grashalme.” But we suffer a problem more stylistic: our new bronze screen has tiny florets of stained glass pohutukawa blossom, unfortunately in the shape of clubs or shamrocks. When Irish eyes are smiling? Or implying that Justice is just a Lottery? The screen of course is see through, especially straight on: and so the judges private rooms behind require curtains – but that’s all too naff and nineties, so instead they are the window out from the courtroom is lined with glass that turns opaque at the touch of a button.
The dome downstairs – not a dome at all, I am amazed instead to find that the concept is based on a pine cone – a kauri cone to be exact – never mind that kauri cones are cutely tiny, whereas this cone is monstrously large. I’ll take John Key’s word for it that it isn’t too bad inside yet – I wasn’t on the royal press party. More comments to come as we gain access to the inside…. ….meanwhile, what do you think?
I suspect Mr Key may be right. The interior may be spacious; well detailed. Perhaps the egg-dome-cone makes for a dramatic chamber.
But, the overwhelming majority of the public will only ever see the exterior, and in particular that million-dollar bronze motif. Without it, the building would be just another piece of modern architecture: all concrete pillars and glazed walls. Almost Savoye-like in its proportions.
Add in that facade though, and the building becomes more interesting, more polarising. Most people I’ve talked to object to the material — that the rusted colour seems undignified. Personally, I don’t think that’s the problem. Such dull-rust browns have been used well elsewhere, such as the Ironbark in Auckland; or the detailing present in the Waitangi and Courtnay Place Parks. My main problem is with the pattern itself.
Its just so boring. The same motif repeats every 3meters; quickly becoming monotonous. Attempting to abstract a natural pattern into such a simple, and straightforward ornament makes it dull and lifeless — not vibrant; certainly not evocative of the rich chaos of nature.
Given the current capabilities of computer design software, and computer aided manufacturing, I see no reason for such a reductive form of decoration to exist. If you’re going to do ornament, then you’d better do a damn good job of it. Arguably, the production of exquisitely complex and seductive ornamentation has — thus far — been the most effective use of cutting-edge CAD/CAM technologies within architecture. Just look at the AA pavilions of the last few: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asimplemind/sets/72157621536072415/
http://news.architecture.sk/2009/12/aa-summer-pavilion.php
Or, look at the kindergarten that Maximus posted on previously. Even a slight bit of variation in that facade makes it interesting, intriguing. Remember the Bird’s Nest in Beijing? Would it have been such an icon without its tangled masses?
Anyway, just my thoughts…
Philip, I think you’re right about the pattern – in that it is too simplistically done. The elements are all on edge, none of them flatten out – and hence it looks so 2 dimensional, rather than a more developed 3 dimensional pattern that it could be. While that makes sense if this was a cheap, extruded screen made of welded steel, it makes no sense to build it this way as this was – is – apparently – a solid bronze, cast screen – for a casting, there could have been much more richness, and for bronze, its a damn shame that the metalwork just looks like a bad paint job from a left over tin at the Mitre10 bankruptcy sale.
I wouldn’t go subscribing such fancy symbolic notions of anti-hierarchy to the architects of this building when they show a complete inability to deal with symbolic expression. They haven’t, it seems, even managed at the level of metaphor, instead being mired in a sea of overt literality when converting concepts into form – something normally associated with mediocre student work.
The placement of judges and petitioners on the same level is probably a concession to the practical economics of having equal access to all able and differently-abled persons…
Hmmm – I know our Supreme Court judges are old, but are they all on zimmer frames and in wheelchairs already? Or would we want them judging the law if they were? Yes, all terribly rude to people in wheelchairs i know, and no link intended between mental acuity and physical impairment, but still….
on another matter, I found this website, on Victims of Law – Judging the Judges. Certainly in the USA it seems, you shouldn’t trust the judiciary to get it right. http://victimsoflaw.net/ Of course, such a thing would never happen in NZ now, would it….? Oh yes, in fact, just the other week…:
http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz/index.asp?PageID=2145845338#-sue-perman-surpasses-supreme-court-show
I’ve always thought the screen looks like something computer generated for a mock-up. The simple repeating pattern looks like a cut-n-paste job for a demo, with the expectation that the actual design would be more complex. Whoops.
The screen also reminds me of the cyclone screens some buildings have in Noumea.
It was telling last night on the news. They asked six people about it.
It just happened that they asked three kiwis and three foreigners (big accent giveaways).
The kiwis hated it “too expensive”… “too confusing…” “vulgar”… etc etc.
The foreigners loved it though – they said things like “go to any great city, London, Paris and they have great architecture…” “Looks great, because it’s different and very international”… etc etc.
The Kiwi / Foreigner split was quite marked.
Personally – I like the idea of the screen, but the execution is not that great.
The Interior is fantastic. Quite beautiful.
Philip has a good point. A pattern, with some meaning behind it, stretching all the way around the thing would improve it considerably. Makes me think of The Mountain apartments in Copenhagen where they wrapped the carpark underneath it in a dot matrix picture of Mt Everest. Carparks are always ugly, but in this case the effect was nice.
And indeed the Dom has printed some pictures today – including the inside – also article available here:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3239817/Inside-the-new-Supreme-Court
“…The building’s exterior, with the bronze screen depicting pohutukawa and rata trees entwined, has already caused some controversy amongst architects and the public, who question the design merit.
The interior of the glass building had been out of bounds until yesterday. Inside, everything is built around the courtroom, which architect Roy Wilson, of Warren and Mahoney, said was designed to look like a kauri cone.
At the front is the bench where the five Supreme Court judges will hear cases. It faces a window that looks right out to Lambton Quay. That allowed “open justice”, Mr Wilson said. Prince William said the room had an extraordinary feel to it. The new building also features the judges’ chambers on the second floor, and a judicial library. Mr Wilson said the design of the new building, while required to be modern, was also sympathetic to the old.
Elements include the new and old courtrooms being in line with each other, and the bronze screen matching the height of the old building. The kauri panelling of the old building is also reflected in the kauri cone shape of the new courtroom.”
Dominion Post editorial today: “There is marvellous irony – unconscious, perhaps – in the Government having invited an heir to the British throne to open the new Supreme Court building, given that the institution it now houses is one more step along a path to our becoming a republic. If that thought occurred to Prince William when he did the honours yesterday, he was too polite to express it, at least in his speech….”
more at : http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/opinion/editorials/3239689/Editorial-Time-to-test-waters-again-on-republic
The court in the new building is open to the public, perhaps you should visit before commenting, or you may end up like the NZ Herald, and describe the courtroom as a Pohutukawa Cone – guess that is an Auckland Icon !!
Maximus – contrary to your rant about architects not being prepared to comment about their buildings, Roy Wilson of Warren and Mahoney has been quoted in both the press and radio.
Ironically you also quote Roy in one of your own comments today, so I think you owe Roy an apology for suggesting W&M don’t have the courage to stand up for their building, and that they ‘declined to comment’.
Maximus – why don’t you give us some ‘thoughtful commentary’ on the building. So far you seem to only have quoted the Dom Post, Honeywood (whoever that is) and commented thet we (the royal we I notice) were outraged at the cost.
Come on Maximus – how about telling us 3 things you like about it and 3 things you don’t?
Not sure that I owe anyone an apology, as i don’t think I’ve impuned anyone, including Roy. There are comments said to a newspaper – and then there is rebuttal of the scuttlebutt, which is a different thing altogether.
Look, Pea Soup, there is a massive void in the information matrix out there that architects should be filling. Why the hell should Petra Bagust and Raybon Kan and moronic members of the public get to say stupid things about the building without having given it a minutes thought – and get away with it? WAM should be lobbying TV3 et al to get on screen and give it a bit of support – they designed the thing, if they can’t support it then who the hell will? John Key, renowned architectural commentator that he is, at least had the good sense to keep quiet and not say anything stupid.
We have this horrible situation in this country that the media think anyone at all can design a building, and anyone at all can comment on a building. Neither are true. As we know, it takes years of training, which Roy has certainly got, to be able to design and get a building built – and it also takes years of careful thought to be able to comment on buildings as well. Would TV companies ask the ‘man-in-the-street’ how to perform a heart operation? Or ask them to comment on the results of a brain surgery?
No. Its about time that architects started standing up and demanding a bit of respect. They deserve it.
“Why the hell should Petra Bagust and Raybon Kan and moronic members of the public get to say stupid things about the building without having given it a minutes thought”
It is true that most people say things without having first thought about what they will say but calling people morons is just letting your frustration get the better of you. Buildings are for people not for architects’ self edification. Respect is not deserved on the basis of one’s profession. It has to be earned. You can’t be taken seriously when you cry foul over how ignorant the public is and how dare they say anything about a building when they’re not even architects.
I propose that we use blogs and other means to try to educate the public so that they may learn more about how to appreciate and evaluate building instead of just ranting and alienating people, making the “morons” think that architects are a bunch of snobby, stuck up dreamers disconnected from the “real” world.
cheers,
-tomek
“Would TV companies ask the ‘man-in-the-street’ how to perform a heart operation? Or ask them to comment on the results of a brain surgery?”
I’m not sure that architects are unique in their treatment by rank and file media commentators. I don’t imagine there are many lay persons who could direct a feature film, but that didn’t save Niki Caro from a public flogging over “the Vintner’s Luck” beyond anything that Roy Wilson will have to endure. Don’t even mention et al and the Venice Biennale.
Some thoughtful commentary eh? Well I could, but I don’t want to tell you what to think – you’re perfectly capable of making up your own minds. I see the blog more of a place for discussion to happen rather than a one-sided conversation. We don’t presume to be above the law here ( a la Whale Oil), or to tell you that your views are stupid (a la David Farrar), but we hope that we’re undertaking a useful service so that the architecture and design communities can discuss things on a fairly neutral background.
(the “we” by the way is because more than one person writes this blog, not because I think I’m Queen Victoria…).
And yes, at times I do despair of the stupidity of the crowd and call them morons – sorry Tomek, but that’s the truth, more often than not. Admittedly, at times I too say stupid things and call myself a moron – and no doubt that’s true then too. But the general public in NZ typically know nothing about architecture (and nor do they read this blog), and their ‘education’ won’t be helped by comedians making snide comments on national tv.
In the mean time, to try to answer Pea Soup’s view, in spite of my natural aversion, and in a Rove-style ending note:
I like the way the screen wraps around the building, delicately overlapping the more private areas of the court’s business, and providing a glimpse of a reference to an islamic madrasa, with the decorated frieze cleverly providing both sun-shading and obfuscation. Although it looks nothing at all like scaffolding (a ridiculous comment from the public), I not that happy with the way the screen is detailed: a waste of the possibilities of both casting and bronze polishing, and am saddened by the poor quality of finish with weld marks showing, and don’t really think the little red florets work as a decorative motif. The screen works well from inside on the ground floor: far better than from the outside, so it seems.
I like the internal feeling of the court, with the thousands of timber diamonds / chevrons bevelled down towards the audience, and the faint glimpses of daylight meandering down the wall. The timber work inside is beautiful – the Justice department haven’t got their act together yet and started having guided tours, so 90% of the complex is off limits – there’s no access to the upper floor or to the old building yet and so I can’t pass comment on the rest. But I don’t like that we preserve the old building in aspic and then don’t use it – the old building is sitting empty, and likely un-used its remaining (now heavily extended) life, and that is an appalling indictment on both the judiciary and the heritage lobby.
I like that the egg is visible from outside the court, as a separate volume, but despair at the mixed metaphors and somewhat clumsy handling at the junction with the upper floor. It’s a kauri-pine-cone inside (this will become its most popular feature, I’m sure) and yet from the outside its a egg covered in copper tiles. Not sure what this symbol of egg-ness or pinecone-ness has to do with justice-ness. The copper will probably not patinate to green or brown as it is in a covered environment, so it will gradually accumulate grubby handprints all over it, in a simulation of patination – over 100 years it will acquire a unique colouration, especially around the public entry door, and possibly provide a useful record of fingerprints for the police to examine. It has daylight peeping in from above, yet no room for people to peep in as the Reichstag does, and so it remains sealed off, elitist: but this is, I think, only right.
But overall, as arguably one of the most powerful buildings in the land, it is curiously down market; not quite befitting of its station. The height was restricted down to the level of the original building (itself erected when we had some 4 million less people), and so it looks squat and shrunken – not impressive and inspiring of confidence. It won’t be used much, it cost a lot yet provides so little, and if you compare it to the War Memorial Hall in Wanganui (by Greenhough, Smith and Newman, 1956-1960) – where they did it all so much earlier, so much cheaper, and, it has to be said, so much better…
( http://www.dayout.co.nz/public-files/pictures/17830.jpg ) then it is, I feel, a bit of a lost opportunity for the furtherment of New Zealand architecture.
Couldn’t there be room for expert comment AND lay comment, and isn’t getting the NZ public to interested in architecture so that they might seek to understand more also important, and isn’t asking them to formulate an opinion at least a start…? The value of M’s comment is in the lack of balance in reporting. However, M is also running a peculiar argument when suggesting that architects are somehow above the moronic public, yet calling for architects to make statements to said morons. I think M really wants architects statements for other architects… The ranting is getting a bit elitist in that respect.
In hindsight, organizations such as Arch centre could well have used something like this to create a campaign of public architectural/design education. Opportunities of this nature are few and far between…
It would be interesting to know whether the Herald’s editors have even seen the building.
Their editorial yesterday was extremely scathing, but it did read like that they hadn’t seen it in the flesh.
Typical kneejerk populist rant…
Yes there is room for Architectural comment and lay-person comment, however the lay-person comment should come from people that at least have some semblance of knowledge of the design process and the build process… (without being elitist about it…)
that kind stretches the definition of layperson somewhat…
I personally agree with Maximus comments . The Architectural design professionals need to be more vocal in their opinions . Yes buildings are made for people but this building should be a “masterpiece” of design regardless of its budget – it should have been “mind blowing” and steal ones imagination as to what goes on inside is interior as you go past it. Instead it’s boring and then you hear the cost of it and hell ! what a waste. A scaffolding screened building with a fine mesh wrapping would have been much alluring then that bronze thing. the screen it has is a let-down in my opinion – who designed it ? was it a staff member of W&M? hells bells they dropped the ball with this one. So W&M designer should explain the logic on this creation
“at least have some semblance of knowledge of the design process and the build process…” often just called an experienced client.
Some architects even have to allow in their fees for the extra hassle that comes with dealing with a first time client – whereas an experienced client has been through the building process before, and has some idea of how complicated the process can be, and when / where things can be changed by client decree and when it is not a good idea etc….
It may sound elitist to some, but seriously: building is a complicated business, best not left up to amateurs. That’s why they call it a profession…. ie Professionals etc…
Mobsta, you’re so right about the Herald – wow, talk about a terrible snarky editorial. Worse than a Metro article. It goes like this:
“Editorial: Vulgar bolt-on still looks like recycled scrap”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10620903
“When art is indulged with public money terrible things can happen. Witness the facade of the new Supreme Court building in Wellington opened by Prince William yesterday. Readers who rarely visit the capital might not have seen the embarrassment until we published a photograph yesterday of the building with the red steel latticework that wraps its upper storey like an old-fashioned Christmas cake.
Visitors to Wellington would have noticed it but probably assumed it was another of those pieces of desperate kitsch, like artificial nikau palms, that characterise the city’s civic designs. Alas this one cannot be blamed on its council, this one was a national project. Tax money – probably quite a lot of it – paid for this cheap-looking and decidedly nasty decoration of the $80 million construction. The metalwork was made from recycled scrap and still looks like it.
Nobody responsible to taxpayers was stepping up to answer for it yesterday. The previous Government must have approved the design but it has gone. Prime Minister John Key diplomatically described it as an “important addition to the landscape” and added that it was not his place to comment on its architectural merits.
Attorney-General Chris Finlayson said he was not concerned about the court’s building, only its judgments. Justice Minister Simon Power declared it “unique” – it is that – and “worthy of the top court in the land”, which could only mean the judges should not ask him to spend any more.
Whatever the royal visitor thought of it he will probably keep to himself. He was opening a building for the court that replaces the Privy Council as New Zealand’s highest judicial authority. The building is a physical expression of a significant step in our independent constitutional development. The Prince’s presence attracted a republican demonstration outside.
Perhaps the demonstrators liked the lattice. It represents the view through branches of pohutukawa and rata trees, according to the design director for architects Warren and Mahoney. An indigenous reference may be enough to satisfy the republican cause.
In that sense the incongruous facade may be all too appropriate. The urge to distinguish ourselves within a highly valued heritage can produce awkward superficial results. Lawyers who argued for the retention of the Privy Council said we were setting up an inferior court for the appearance of indigenousness. We were not cutting our connections to British common law, just bolting on a bench of local design.
Republicanism proposes a change that probably would be even less substantial. The monarch long ago ceased to be the effective head of state of any country besides Britain. She and her heirs come here as very occasional visitors and nowadays they are welcomed as such, not as the “family” of old. The Queen’s indigenous representative, the Governor-General, is the effective head of state.
His role would hardly change were he to become a president appointed by Parliament under a republican constitution. The country might no longer want a distant hereditary head of state but it would be wise to retain most other elements of British parliamentary government.
Contemplating the edifice he opened yesterday, Prince William must have wished for a more worthy debut. The design speaks of nothing but superficial confusion. Within the ridiculous wrapper there seems to be a construction of reasonable substance and appearance. Beside it stands Wellington’s old High Court, a contrast in style, taste and dignity. It could have been extended to accommodate the Supreme Court, and could yet be. For it will still be there when the vulgar bolt-on beside it is sent back to the scrap yard.”
But maximus, no one is asking the public to build – just to have an opinion… There is little danger in that except for when there is no balance with ‘informed’ opinion, and as it turns out, Roy had his chance too: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/supreme-court-finally-gets-new-home-3332656
Your argument is like saying that members of the public cannot opine about novels because they are not novelists…? Movies because they aren’t directors…? Wine becuase they are not viticulturists…? etc, ad nauseam
But then there is another lay account also – this one actually quite interesting:
http://pundit.co.nz/content/prince-charming-and-the-temple-of-doom
Maximus has been consistent in asking for Architect comment here on the blog.
I for one would encourage it.
Archaus has been slammed on the blog on more than one occasion and if they had bothered to come on and defend their designs then the blogarati may have gained a better understanding of why things are the way they are…
(Instead we got anonymous inflamed comments by what may have been an Archaus employee… it didn’t help the cause….)
I – for one – would love to hear what Roy, or someone from WAM (not Warren and Mahoney BTW) has to say about the building…
two cents.
m-d that’s a great link to the pundit site – pity they don’t have more commentary there, as there are some interesting writers evident. David Beatson’s commentary on pundit is harsh, but still amusing, and possibly accurate. He says:
“….The only sour note of the day was the Supreme Court building itself.
From the street, it looks like a jungle-engulfed Mayan temple. Inside, the main court chamber is housed within a soaring silver beech-clad cone, capped by glass to admit the light of the sun or the moon. It seems well-suited to the ritual disembowelment of the off-spring of the judges’ near neighbours, the fastest legislators in the west.
We are indebted to the architects for the explanation that the exterior cladding and the interior cone are inspired by the pohutukawa. It would have been difficult to make that link. It is also a relief to know that the tangled [recycled] bronze tendrils shrouding the building have been designed to be bird-proof and wind-proof. Both will be safe from entrapment.
This 21st century judicial landmark squats like a metallic cane toad alongside the charming, old High Court building that was constructed in 1880, closed in 1992 and neglected for years. Restoration of the old building cost about as much as the construction of the new neighbor that hangs from its side like a giant lean-to. It is almost impossible to understand why it could not have been adapted and sympathetically expanded to serve as the Supreme Court. Apparently, its category “A” historic places rating means its bench cannot be altered to accommodate the panel of five judges where three used to sit, and its jury box and prisoner dock cannot be removed. We are left to wonder why laws or regulations like this can’t be changed when so many others can be annulled or amended as quickly as they were passed in the first place.”
So, even David Farrar has blessed us with his opinion of the building (admittedly, only its exterior):
“But it is far worse than that. It is truly hideous. I don’t think I have seen a building before with no redeeming features. The exterior up top looks like barbed wire from a distance. The windows are dull. The pillars add nothing, and it is again just hideous.
In case I have not made myself clear, I do not think you could design a more hideous building if you actually tried to. If there was some global competition for hideous buildings, then the Supreme Court building would be a finalist beyond doubt.
The monstrosity surrounding the building is meant to be “a bronze screen depicting the strength, durability and stature of the pohutukawa and rata tree”. Only if you have taken P recently.”
The comments from his rabid supporters are more interesting though, at times equally partisan, bigoted, chauvinist, ignorant, and hilarious… (what you expect from a normal kiwiblog thread…). Here are some ‘highlights’:
Jack5 (1430) Says:
Tour guide to Wellington visitors in 2020:
“And so visitors, looking at these buildings, you can see how Wellington gave rise to the new architectural trend or school of New Zealand — the Tepaparazzi.”
noskire (226) Says:
Who are the architects?
New Zealand architectural firm, Warren and Mahoney are the architects of the Supreme Court building. Warren and Mahoney have been practicing for half a century.
Maybe it’s time they stopped practicing and looked for another job.
Doug (126) Says:
The building has been designed in accordance with sustainable design policies and with low energy use in mind.
At least the greens will be happy, we have disposed of six months worth of scrap metal.
noskire (226) Says:
Guantanomo Bay? http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/guantanamo.jpg
kiwireader (42) Says:
Stop worrying readers, they have simply forgot to take the scaffolding off. I’m sure what’s underneath will be a spectacular tribute to the architect…
http://www.freefoto.com/images/13/44/13_44_58—Scaffolding_web.jpg
vibenna (133) Says:
This was the original brief: “People are always complaining about lacklustre government architecture, even saying that the Beehive is the worst building in Wellington. I want you to design something that will prove them wrong.”
John Ansell (455) Says:
Much as we’d all love to trumpet another worldbeating Kiwi design effort, sadly we must face the fact that our new monument to the Clark government is only the second ugliest public building on the planet: http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/new-supreme-court-not-worlds-ugliest/
Locally it’s a worthy rival for Te Aro Park, the Beehive and Te Papa.
tvb (655) Says:
People should suspend their judgements until the scaffolding is removed.
Peter (198) Says:
I like it.
Poliwatch (144) Says:
Is there any truth to the rumour that the archittects have applied to the Court for name suppression?
Fletch (785) Says:
New Zealand seems to have this curse in designing, well, anything….
If you are bold enough to venture where no sane person should tread: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/hideous.html
Oh – and here is the solution: http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/jan/20/bournemouth-imax-building-demolition
you’re a brave reader indeed to go reading kiwiblog m-d !
And it reinforces everything I was saying about the public making moronic comments:
“I do not think you could design a more hideous building if you actually tried to.”
and this coming from a man who lives in Auckland…. has he not looked around his city at all?
Actually, dpf is a Wellingtonian – one of us…
from the kiwiblog comments section quoted above:
labrator : “Concrete columns aren’t architectural in any way, they’re structural.”
RRM (1724) Says in response to that:
“THESE concrete columns really really are structural! They support the entire weight of the first floor and the roof.
I’m not really qualified or competent to comment on the architecture. I don’t think it looks any good at all. (Though if the reality had matched the artist’s impression it would have been pretty cool.)
But in New Zealand in the 21st century we don’t need any more fake Greek temples.”
…and they keep on coming:
Nefarious (387) Says:
This morning’s shit was more visually appealing than that fucking monstrosity. Even after a curry last night.
Architects in NZ all seem to have been trained by a combination of Tracy Emin, the bloke who threw shit at canvas and Stevie Wonder but the biggest travesty is some visually impaired fuckwit signed off the cheque for this thing. Without laughing in Warren and Mahoney’s collective face and saying “You are taking the piss, aren’t you?”
Angus (312) Says:
What is it about Wellington which give architects cause to flock there and take the piss?
* The Beehive
* The Cake Tin.
* Te Papa
* The Supreme Court
As usual, the uninformed ones writing in salacious comments to kiwi-blog are getting their facts wrong. For instance:
# labrator (614) Says: “That’s my point dazzaman, plain concrete columns are purely structural. The ancient Greeks knew that you can make structural items attractive to look at, the architects here didn’t or couldn’t. Even Auckland made an attempt at beautifying their solid concrete motorway crash barriers!”
One of the things I found interesting in my trip to the Supreme Court was that there actually IS a bit of entasis in the concrete columns – there is a beautiful soft curve up the column, instead of the usual boring old straight cylinder. Very nice Roy. I like that.
Labrator (614 comments – yee gods) is also a bit off centre with the comment re solid crash barriers. Personally, I think the crash barriers up there are hopelessly twiddled upon by endless doodling. Swoopy this, scratchy that – they’d be better off without all that tat. Still, it gives the motorists something to look at when they’re stuck in a jam….
time for a bit of support i think ! letter to the Dom Post today (Thurs):
“Letter: I applaud the architects:
“I’ve read with interest the many letters deriding the new Supreme Court building. Recently, I was admiring the new courthouse and the wonderful restoration of the adjacent old High Court.
I had no idea how interesting the interior design was till I saw the photos. When I remember all the interesting old buildings that have been demolished along Lambton Quay – take the Midland Hotel – I feel sad. Were they demolished in the name of “earthquake risk” or maybe that old Kiwi idea that anything old should be modernised?
The $80 million budget is nothing compared to the billions wasted on bland architecture, which has made many of our towns and cities boring. Whether one loves or hates the design of this spectacular building, the fact that it has caused controversy and debate makes it money well spent.
I applaud the architects’ design, imagination, and courage.
STEPHEN POWELL, Khandallah”
m-d “In hindsight, organizations such as Arch centre could well have used something like this to create a campaign of public architectural/design education. Opportunities of this nature are few and far between…”
You’ll no doubt be pleased to hear that the Arch Centre has indeed got a posting on this very subject:
http://architecture.org.nz/2010/01/25/primo-surpremo-architectural-justice/