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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-14871</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ethel</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11977</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did ask and if I want to try and have a tree scheduled for protection, then I will be responsible for any costs associated with that. I should have guessed as much. This is Auckland City Council by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did ask and if I want to try and have a tree scheduled for protection, then I will be responsible for any costs associated with that. I should have guessed as much. This is Auckland City Council by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11890</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the reason things were previously done as blanket provisions was because it is such a bureaucratic paper filled exercise, especially to tackle something like a single tree. Now the Councils will have to go through this exercise for each single tree they believe is worth fighting for. National will be banking that none will bother fighting that hard. Ask your council what to do. My guess is that they&#039;ll just say they can&#039;t be bothered for a one off tree now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the reason things were previously done as blanket provisions was because it is such a bureaucratic paper filled exercise, especially to tackle something like a single tree. Now the Councils will have to go through this exercise for each single tree they believe is worth fighting for. National will be banking that none will bother fighting that hard. Ask your council what to do. My guess is that they&#8217;ll just say they can&#8217;t be bothered for a one off tree now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethel</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11837</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you go about getting a tree scheduled for protection? Is it true that you can start pruning any tree you like in 3 weeks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you go about getting a tree scheduled for protection? Is it true that you can start pruning any tree you like in 3 weeks?</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11787</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s now passed, and is law.  I&#039;m hugely disappointed in  National on this - and still don&#039;t really understand why they are doing this. Its like a personal vendetta. Perhaps a branch once fell on Nick Smith&#039;s garage roof or some such. 

In the mean time, keep a lookout for stories about neighbours chopping down someone else&#039;s tree.  I&#039;ll give it till summer for the first story to surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s now passed, and is law.  I&#8217;m hugely disappointed in  National on this &#8211; and still don&#8217;t really understand why they are doing this. Its like a personal vendetta. Perhaps a branch once fell on Nick Smith&#8217;s garage roof or some such. </p>
<p>In the mean time, keep a lookout for stories about neighbours chopping down someone else&#8217;s tree.  I&#8217;ll give it till summer for the first story to surface.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart yeates</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11471</link>
		<dc:creator>stuart yeates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The clause in the Bill is: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2009/0018/latest/DLM2218585.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The clause in the Bill is: <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2009/0018/latest/DLM2218585.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2009/0018/latest/DLM2218585.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11392</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To balance out the view of David Garret that I received (posted previously above), here is the view from the Green Party:

&quot;Thanks for your email regarding the removal of tree protection proposed in the National-led Government&#039;s Resource Management (Simplifying and Streamlining) Amendment Bill. The bill seeks to ban blanket tree protection rules, leaving diverse and valued trees defenceless. This is particularly relevant to Auckland, where six of the seven city councils use general tree protection rules, but also to other parts of New Zealand where authorities use general tree protection rules to some extent.
 
As you probably know, the Green Party was the only party to oppose this Bill at its First Reading, we have campaigned in the community to encourage people to have their say, and we have advocated strongly against its worst aspects in Parliament and the Select Committee. With the help of huge numbers of community members who made excellent submissions, the Greens were able to remove some of the worst proposals from the Bill in Select Committee.
 
However, the Government has refused to budge on the issue of tree protection.
 
Green Party MPs fought hard in the Select Committee to remove or change the clauses that would ban blanket tree protection rules, but lacked majority support from other committee members. Even a compromise solution was rejected, for political reasons, despite support amongst many on the committee. Please see our Minority Report for more information: http://www.greens.org.nz/misc-documents/green-party-minority-report-resource-management-simplifying-and-streamlining-amendmen
I also recommend our podcast audio discussion on the Bill featuring Jeanette Fitzsimons who sat through most of the Select Committee process: http://www.greens.org.nz/audio/people-push-back

The Green Party is currently working on amendments to the Bill to remove the ban on tree protection (Clause 52), or form a compromise amendment that protects our trees while simplifying procedures. We remain hopeful that we can persuade Parliament to support these.
Please feel free to pass this response on to others who might be interested. Thank you for caring about trees, and the contribution they make to our urban environment. We&#039;ll do our best to get the Government to see sense on this issue.
 
Cheers,
Anne Heins
Executive Assistant, Office of Dr Russel Norman MP 
Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To balance out the view of David Garret that I received (posted previously above), here is the view from the Green Party:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thanks for your email regarding the removal of tree protection proposed in the National-led Government&#8217;s Resource Management (Simplifying and Streamlining) Amendment Bill. The bill seeks to ban blanket tree protection rules, leaving diverse and valued trees defenceless. This is particularly relevant to Auckland, where six of the seven city councils use general tree protection rules, but also to other parts of New Zealand where authorities use general tree protection rules to some extent.</p>
<p>As you probably know, the Green Party was the only party to oppose this Bill at its First Reading, we have campaigned in the community to encourage people to have their say, and we have advocated strongly against its worst aspects in Parliament and the Select Committee. With the help of huge numbers of community members who made excellent submissions, the Greens were able to remove some of the worst proposals from the Bill in Select Committee.</p>
<p>However, the Government has refused to budge on the issue of tree protection.</p>
<p>Green Party MPs fought hard in the Select Committee to remove or change the clauses that would ban blanket tree protection rules, but lacked majority support from other committee members. Even a compromise solution was rejected, for political reasons, despite support amongst many on the committee. Please see our Minority Report for more information: <a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/misc-documents/green-party-minority-report-resource-management-simplifying-and-streamlining-amendmen" rel="nofollow">http://www.greens.org.nz/misc-documents/green-party-minority-report-resource-management-simplifying-and-streamlining-amendmen</a><br />
I also recommend our podcast audio discussion on the Bill featuring Jeanette Fitzsimons who sat through most of the Select Committee process: <a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/audio/people-push-back" rel="nofollow">http://www.greens.org.nz/audio/people-push-back</a></p>
<p>The Green Party is currently working on amendments to the Bill to remove the ban on tree protection (Clause 52), or form a compromise amendment that protects our trees while simplifying procedures. We remain hopeful that we can persuade Parliament to support these.<br />
Please feel free to pass this response on to others who might be interested. Thank you for caring about trees, and the contribution they make to our urban environment. We&#8217;ll do our best to get the Government to see sense on this issue.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Anne Heins<br />
Executive Assistant, Office of Dr Russel Norman MP<br />
Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11333</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max... There is no shortage of trees in NZ for people to enjoy or for birds to sit in. I&#039;ve just stuck my head out the window and, even tho I live in the CBD, I can see tens of thousands of them. If they were scarce, then you&#039;d have a point. But they&#039;re not, and felling by individual people isn&#039;t going to make much of a difference to the total or to the environment. Believe it or not, most people actually like having trees on their property. The change in the law just means that the few thousand that are cut down every year won&#039;t need RMA approval and the public servants involved can do something better with their time. 

Or, to develop your &#039;dwindling fish stocks&quot; analogy... Should a person require RMA approval to dispose of a fish in their back yard fish pond?  Or to fill in that fish pond and replace it with a tree?  Should we employ public servants to process fish pond RMA approvals?  No government has required that, so does that mean that Labour and the Greens hate fish?  In fact, a recreational fisher doesn&#039;t need RMA approval in order to go out and catch fish that are in the sea and therefore either un-owned or owned by the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max&#8230; There is no shortage of trees in NZ for people to enjoy or for birds to sit in. I&#8217;ve just stuck my head out the window and, even tho I live in the CBD, I can see tens of thousands of them. If they were scarce, then you&#8217;d have a point. But they&#8217;re not, and felling by individual people isn&#8217;t going to make much of a difference to the total or to the environment. Believe it or not, most people actually like having trees on their property. The change in the law just means that the few thousand that are cut down every year won&#8217;t need RMA approval and the public servants involved can do something better with their time. </p>
<p>Or, to develop your &#8216;dwindling fish stocks&#8221; analogy&#8230; Should a person require RMA approval to dispose of a fish in their back yard fish pond?  Or to fill in that fish pond and replace it with a tree?  Should we employ public servants to process fish pond RMA approvals?  No government has required that, so does that mean that Labour and the Greens hate fish?  In fact, a recreational fisher doesn&#8217;t need RMA approval in order to go out and catch fish that are in the sea and therefore either un-owned or owned by the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11326</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David P &#8211; I guess that&#8217;s where you and I disagree. &#8220;Now people will be able to prune them or cut them down &#8230;.. It doesn’t sound even slightly unreasonable.&#8221;    It is that same old thing &#8211; is the tree just &#8220;yours&#8221; as it is on &#8220;your&#8221; property, or does it belong to all of us, to the city, to the ecological system, to the birds that nest there? Same thing as the dwindling fish stocks and the whale slaughter and the destruction of the ecosystem all over the planet &#8211; because the fishermen believe it is their right to catch whatever they want and no one should tell them otherwise. Never mind that it screws up the planet. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on the forestry blitz under Labour &#8211; that was grossly mis-managed &#8211; although I certainly don&#8217;t think that anyone thought that farmers would be so cruel, cynical, and un-thinking as to cut down their forests. But then I think that farmers are just businessmen/women and so therefore just as likely to be cruel, cynical and unthinking as anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/why-does-national-hate-trees/#comment-11320</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see what the fuss is all about. Most people who don&#039;t live in apartments have trees around their property. They&#039;re not actually that uncommon. Now people will be able to prune them or cut them down without the expense and time required to get permission under the RMA. It doesn&#039;t sound even slightly unreasonable.

If the tree is one of the few that is notable in some way, then the council can still get it listed. But if someone wants to chop down a rotten old tree in their backyard, possibly to replace it with a new and healthy tree or a vege patch or maybe just some lawn, then it doesn&#039;t effect me in the slighest and I don&#039;t see why some council employees need to get involved.

If you want to worry about tree loss, look no further than Labour and their ETS scheme. Their act essentially nationalised the carbon credits in forests, and so that the value in these credits wouldn&#039;t be lost to the government they included restrictions on cutting down trees. Forest owners and farmers, faced with being stuck with trees that they&#039;d never be able to cut down, went on a blitz of deforestation before the restrictions came in to force. I believe that this caused the first net loss in forests in NZ since the 1930s, and it was all caused by &quot;environmental&quot; legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see what the fuss is all about. Most people who don&#8217;t live in apartments have trees around their property. They&#8217;re not actually that uncommon. Now people will be able to prune them or cut them down without the expense and time required to get permission under the RMA. It doesn&#8217;t sound even slightly unreasonable.</p>
<p>If the tree is one of the few that is notable in some way, then the council can still get it listed. But if someone wants to chop down a rotten old tree in their backyard, possibly to replace it with a new and healthy tree or a vege patch or maybe just some lawn, then it doesn&#8217;t effect me in the slighest and I don&#8217;t see why some council employees need to get involved.</p>
<p>If you want to worry about tree loss, look no further than Labour and their ETS scheme. Their act essentially nationalised the carbon credits in forests, and so that the value in these credits wouldn&#8217;t be lost to the government they included restrictions on cutting down trees. Forest owners and farmers, faced with being stuck with trees that they&#8217;d never be able to cut down, went on a blitz of deforestation before the restrictions came in to force. I believe that this caused the first net loss in forests in NZ since the 1930s, and it was all caused by &#8220;environmental&#8221; legislation.</p>
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