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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7705</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...although of course we&#039;ve also got our fair share of plodders when it comes to provinces. We&#039;ve a Northland in the far end of the North Island, and a Southland in the bottom tip of the South Island.  East Cape out... oh, look, its all too boring for words. All the more kudos to the Geog Board for livening up our tedious little land. 

Tasmania sounds great.  Priscillaville even better.  If there are any royalists or monarchists left in Oz, you could even have a Camillaville. But you&#039;re right - van Diemen&#039;s land would have been better still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;although of course we&#8217;ve also got our fair share of plodders when it comes to provinces. We&#8217;ve a Northland in the far end of the North Island, and a Southland in the bottom tip of the South Island.  East Cape out&#8230; oh, look, its all too boring for words. All the more kudos to the Geog Board for livening up our tedious little land. </p>
<p>Tasmania sounds great.  Priscillaville even better.  If there are any royalists or monarchists left in Oz, you could even have a Camillaville. But you&#8217;re right &#8211; van Diemen&#8217;s land would have been better still.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7704</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greetings Duncan.  You do know, don&#039;t you, that we&#039;ve always referred to your piece of dirt as the West Island...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greetings Duncan.  You do know, don&#8217;t you, that we&#8217;ve always referred to your piece of dirt as the West Island&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7691</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of more exciting names for your islands. From the other side of the ditch, we&#039;re hardly in a position to make fun of the boring island names. Three of our states are geographical; (Northern Territory, Western Australia and South Australia); two are named after queens (Victoria and Queensland - not Priscilla) and one after a particularly dire part of Britain (New South Wales).  Only Tasmania has a name of any sort of originality at all - and even that&#039;s a step down from the original Van Diemen&#039;s land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of more exciting names for your islands. From the other side of the ditch, we&#8217;re hardly in a position to make fun of the boring island names. Three of our states are geographical; (Northern Territory, Western Australia and South Australia); two are named after queens (Victoria and Queensland &#8211; not Priscilla) and one after a particularly dire part of Britain (New South Wales).  Only Tasmania has a name of any sort of originality at all &#8211; and even that&#8217;s a step down from the original Van Diemen&#8217;s land.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7637</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and for more comments on the subject, you can also refer to Poneke&#039;s blog (yes, he has resurrected himself in a most Lazarus-like manner), here: http://poneke.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/names/

It&#039;s nice to see Poneke back, as he&#039;s a proper journalist, and therefore a big fish in our pond, unlike us who of course are just little Fish.  

Maui&#039;s fish, of course, had its head closest to the big waka of Te Wai Pounamu, as that is the way you catch a fish - with a hook in its mouth. So its no wonder that the head is here (and yes, Dr Walker was post-rationalising it, something we do every day as architects after all), and the fins / wings (eurocentric nomenclature, in a post-colonial paraeidolia kind of way again - fish call them their hands) are the extremities  to the east and west.  (thanks, Jason and LAS). 

Of course, that leaves Stewart Island as the Anchor Stone i believe, which seems highly appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and for more comments on the subject, you can also refer to Poneke&#8217;s blog (yes, he has resurrected himself in a most Lazarus-like manner), here: <a href="http://poneke.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/names/" rel="nofollow">http://poneke.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/names/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to see Poneke back, as he&#8217;s a proper journalist, and therefore a big fish in our pond, unlike us who of course are just little Fish.  </p>
<p>Maui&#8217;s fish, of course, had its head closest to the big waka of Te Wai Pounamu, as that is the way you catch a fish &#8211; with a hook in its mouth. So its no wonder that the head is here (and yes, Dr Walker was post-rationalising it, something we do every day as architects after all), and the fins / wings (eurocentric nomenclature, in a post-colonial paraeidolia kind of way again &#8211; fish call them their hands) are the extremities  to the east and west.  (thanks, Jason and LAS). </p>
<p>Of course, that leaves Stewart Island as the Anchor Stone i believe, which seems highly appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7565</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m unable to comment with any authority on Maori history, but I understand that the Maui legends are found in various forms throughout Polynesia, fishing up islands, creating fire, &amp;c. I also understand that most or all geographical features were named before colonisation, but that no maps were made. 

It would only take a traveller with knowledge of the names and a good sense of direction to form a map in his head, and to then tell the story to everyone he met. If this were the case, I don&#039;t think it would necessarily have to be well perceived in his head. Walking down the Ngauranga Gorge (with Rongotai still underwater) you get a good impression of a mouth. 

Standing at height you could probably perceive Northland to be tail-like. Same goes for the Hawke Bay/Jawbone comparison. Standing on Ruapehu you can see almost coast to coast, as well.

It&#039;s probably just a case of post-colonial paraeidolia. Like clouds, islands can be perceived as many different objects. I&#039;m a cynical bastard and I can see the stingray shape, so it wouldn&#039;t take much to spread around once the Brits arrived and surveyed the place.

It isn&#039;t the first case of Maori appropriating post-colonial views for their own agenda though. I recall something about some Maori priests adapting Old Testament beliefs to give them status, though that is as detailed as my recollection gets, so this could be completely wrong and ignorant!

I really enjoy saying &#039;post-colonial paraeidolia&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m unable to comment with any authority on Maori history, but I understand that the Maui legends are found in various forms throughout Polynesia, fishing up islands, creating fire, &amp;c. I also understand that most or all geographical features were named before colonisation, but that no maps were made. </p>
<p>It would only take a traveller with knowledge of the names and a good sense of direction to form a map in his head, and to then tell the story to everyone he met. If this were the case, I don&#8217;t think it would necessarily have to be well perceived in his head. Walking down the Ngauranga Gorge (with Rongotai still underwater) you get a good impression of a mouth. </p>
<p>Standing at height you could probably perceive Northland to be tail-like. Same goes for the Hawke Bay/Jawbone comparison. Standing on Ruapehu you can see almost coast to coast, as well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably just a case of post-colonial paraeidolia. Like clouds, islands can be perceived as many different objects. I&#8217;m a cynical bastard and I can see the stingray shape, so it wouldn&#8217;t take much to spread around once the Brits arrived and surveyed the place.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the first case of Maori appropriating post-colonial views for their own agenda though. I recall something about some Maori priests adapting Old Testament beliefs to give them status, though that is as detailed as my recollection gets, so this could be completely wrong and ignorant!</p>
<p>I really enjoy saying &#8216;post-colonial paraeidolia&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Honeywood</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7554</link>
		<dc:creator>Honeywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“with the head of the fish in Wellington, which is appropriate because that’s where Government is, and the wings being Cape Egmont and the East Cape, and the tail being Northland,”<br />
At what point did Maori mythology adopt a Western-centric, cartographic view of the whenua?  I know that Maori had (and still have, presumably) extraordinary powers of navigation but is there any evidence that this was assembled into maps sufficiently graphic to develop the idea of the North Island being the shape of a fish?  Is this a case of Maori appropriating post-colonial views of New Zealand to suit their own agenda?  Could be a first (and perhaps overdue….).</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7546</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. Fish fingers: As Morissey said, Meat is Murder.

Speaking of which, does anyone else find the TV show Carter&#039;s Gone Fishing to be a horrific and nasty affair?  All that slaughter on the water....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. Fish fingers: As Morissey said, Meat is Murder.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, does anyone else find the TV show Carter&#8217;s Gone Fishing to be a horrific and nasty affair?  All that slaughter on the water&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LAS</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7544</link>
		<dc:creator>LAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maori academic Ranganui Walker talks about Te Ika a Maui as follows:  

 &quot;with the head of the fish in Wellington, which is appropriate because that&#039;s where Government is, and the wings being Cape Egmont and the East Cape, and the tail being Northland,&quot;

Wings...???   Sounds a bit fishy to me.  Maximus, do I need a lesson in fish anatomy before I start to consider matters of geography? 

Sorry, must go.  Off to the supermarket to buy some fish fingers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maori academic Ranganui Walker talks about Te Ika a Maui as follows:  </p>
<p> &#8220;with the head of the fish in Wellington, which is appropriate because that&#8217;s where Government is, and the wings being Cape Egmont and the East Cape, and the tail being Northland,&#8221;</p>
<p>Wings&#8230;???   Sounds a bit fishy to me.  Maximus, do I need a lesson in fish anatomy before I start to consider matters of geography? </p>
<p>Sorry, must go.  Off to the supermarket to buy some fish fingers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7523</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, welcome back.  You can always contact us at contact@eyeofthefish.org and both Philip and Maximus have access to that and can (and should) answer.  If you forward the articles to there in email form that&#039;s fine, otherwise let me know and we&#039;ll meet you down a shady alley and slip you a bag full of cash if you&#039;ve got some good stuff! 

However, the prospect of Wellingtonians standing at the edge of the harbour and proclaiming loudly is such a good idea that I do thoroughly recommend that you try it. There&#039;s a guy been standing there for quite a while now, solid looking chap called Solace, who seems as though he&#039;s on the verge of saying something - but nada, zip, nothing. Not a peep. Dull bloke.  Nice colour.  Anyway, so: shout away !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, welcome back.  You can always contact us at <a href="mailto:contact@eyeofthefish.org">contact@eyeofthefish.org</a> and both Philip and Maximus have access to that and can (and should) answer.  If you forward the articles to there in email form that&#8217;s fine, otherwise let me know and we&#8217;ll meet you down a shady alley and slip you a bag full of cash if you&#8217;ve got some good stuff! </p>
<p>However, the prospect of Wellingtonians standing at the edge of the harbour and proclaiming loudly is such a good idea that I do thoroughly recommend that you try it. There&#8217;s a guy been standing there for quite a while now, solid looking chap called Solace, who seems as though he&#8217;s on the verge of saying something &#8211; but nada, zip, nothing. Not a peep. Dull bloke.  Nice colour.  Anyway, so: shout away !</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/te-ika-a-maui/#comment-7515</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoping you review comments before they&#039;re published - there seems to be no way to contact the fish (pl.), though I considered standing at the edge of the harbour and loudly proclaiming that Civic Square would make a great car park, or that Jervois Quay should have an 80 speed limit in an attempt to attract your attention.

Anyway I&#039;ve been away from a computer for a week and was wanting to forward on some documents I received re: sports centre. You have my email address because I just entered it in this form!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoping you review comments before they&#8217;re published &#8211; there seems to be no way to contact the fish (pl.), though I considered standing at the edge of the harbour and loudly proclaiming that Civic Square would make a great car park, or that Jervois Quay should have an 80 speed limit in an attempt to attract your attention.</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;ve been away from a computer for a week and was wanting to forward on some documents I received re: sports centre. You have my email address because I just entered it in this form!</p>
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