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		<title>By: guy</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/recession-pah-ride-a-bike-instead/#comment-6131</link>
		<dc:creator>guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>save it for next year ! its all over, rover!    check out the arch centre website to see who won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>save it for next year ! its all over, rover!    check out the arch centre website to see who won.</p>
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		<title>By: jayseatee</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/recession-pah-ride-a-bike-instead/#comment-6128</link>
		<dc:creator>jayseatee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!  When&#039;s that 20 under 40 competition that I keep seeing signs for?  I have a really good idea for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!  When&#8217;s that 20 under 40 competition that I keep seeing signs for?  I have a really good idea for it.</p>
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		<title>By: maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/recession-pah-ride-a-bike-instead/#comment-6108</link>
		<dc:creator>maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be right Starkive - it would certainly be good to to see the &quot;mass of tiny apartments&quot; type blocks be adapted for something else, but there are changes that have happened to the Building Code that may stop that happening. 

Where there is a Commercial building, and a head lease, and therefore lots of smaller sub-leases, property is easily changed and adapted as you say, providing perfect breeding grounds for small innovative businesses. Much of Hong Kong is still like that - and its a hotbed of activity. 

We won&#039;t have the same thing going on with ex-Apartment buildings, however, including the monster going up next to you. In a strata-titled apartment building, knocking down walls and changing use to Commercial is all very much more difficult, if not near-impossible. Change of use conditions and requirement to get approvals from 75% of the Body Corporate will make it awkward to say the least. That, i suspect, is why owners of shitty flatettes in Scene 1, 2, 3 (Auckland disaster projects, as far as I understand), etc, can&#039;t sell their properties. 

No one wants to live in them, and banks now won&#039;t loan on them, and so the market will keep on going down until someone comes along, buys the whole lot, and either demolishes internally or externally by having the majority shareholding in the Body Corp. 

Which is why some people have been ranting on about them being such a bad idea... and why the WCC should not allow them to be built in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right Starkive &#8211; it would certainly be good to to see the &#8220;mass of tiny apartments&#8221; type blocks be adapted for something else, but there are changes that have happened to the Building Code that may stop that happening. </p>
<p>Where there is a Commercial building, and a head lease, and therefore lots of smaller sub-leases, property is easily changed and adapted as you say, providing perfect breeding grounds for small innovative businesses. Much of Hong Kong is still like that &#8211; and its a hotbed of activity. </p>
<p>We won&#8217;t have the same thing going on with ex-Apartment buildings, however, including the monster going up next to you. In a strata-titled apartment building, knocking down walls and changing use to Commercial is all very much more difficult, if not near-impossible. Change of use conditions and requirement to get approvals from 75% of the Body Corporate will make it awkward to say the least. That, i suspect, is why owners of shitty flatettes in Scene 1, 2, 3 (Auckland disaster projects, as far as I understand), etc, can&#8217;t sell their properties. </p>
<p>No one wants to live in them, and banks now won&#8217;t loan on them, and so the market will keep on going down until someone comes along, buys the whole lot, and either demolishes internally or externally by having the majority shareholding in the Body Corp. </p>
<p>Which is why some people have been ranting on about them being such a bad idea&#8230; and why the WCC should not allow them to be built in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: starkive</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/recession-pah-ride-a-bike-instead/#comment-6105</link>
		<dc:creator>starkive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent most of my 20s living and working in the CBDs of Auckland and Wellington in an environment which was largely swept away by the 1980s destruction of their pre-1950 building stock. An environment where it was possible for small businesses to thrive in cheaply rented units off long corridors in masonry buildings - the kinds of suites where once you went to the dentist or to have your taxes done. People made clothes, films, magazines paintings and photographs; designed buildings; fixed musical instruments and shoes; played at being private eyes for all I know.

After the Chase bomb went off, all those eminently subdividable buildings were gone, replaced with open strata office blocks where 500m2 was a small tenancy and the niche enterprises were sent packing to the suburbs. 

Perhaps now we will see a genuine urbanisation of our cities as the market is flooded with these latest real estate mistakes - small, cheap and well suited to 1, 2 or 3 person enterprises. The downsizees likely to be cast loose by the atomisation of corporate culture might colonise the speculators&#039; hulks to our mutual benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent most of my 20s living and working in the CBDs of Auckland and Wellington in an environment which was largely swept away by the 1980s destruction of their pre-1950 building stock. An environment where it was possible for small businesses to thrive in cheaply rented units off long corridors in masonry buildings &#8211; the kinds of suites where once you went to the dentist or to have your taxes done. People made clothes, films, magazines paintings and photographs; designed buildings; fixed musical instruments and shoes; played at being private eyes for all I know.</p>
<p>After the Chase bomb went off, all those eminently subdividable buildings were gone, replaced with open strata office blocks where 500m2 was a small tenancy and the niche enterprises were sent packing to the suburbs. </p>
<p>Perhaps now we will see a genuine urbanisation of our cities as the market is flooded with these latest real estate mistakes &#8211; small, cheap and well suited to 1, 2 or 3 person enterprises. The downsizees likely to be cast loose by the atomisation of corporate culture might colonise the speculators&#8217; hulks to our mutual benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: rondo</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/recession-pah-ride-a-bike-instead/#comment-6086</link>
		<dc:creator>rondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The papers today say: &#039;Flood of cheap flats&#039; as values fall.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/editors-picks/2205756/Flood-of-cheap-flats-as-values-fall

Auckland&#039;s inner-city property market is about to be flooded with up to 1000 cheap apartments, with distressed owners having to sell for half the amount they paid little more than two years ago, a real estate agent warns. Real estate advertisements declaring &quot;city steal ... vendor quits&quot;, &quot;downtown waterfront suite abandoned&quot;, &quot;vacant and abandoned&quot; and &quot;mortgagee wants this gone&quot; indicate the state of the market.
..........snip
&quot;The banks are being very, very cautious,&quot; she said. &quot;They are pessimists, they believe the prices are going to fall even further.&quot;
.........snip

All of which is very interesting, in terms of the complete reversal from a year or two ago, when it was argued that small cheap flats were the answer to NZ&#039;s housing woes.  Its very noticeable that the owners clearly don&#039;t want to have to live in these squalid little holes themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The papers today say: &#8216;Flood of cheap flats&#8217; as values fall.<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/editors-picks/2205756/Flood-of-cheap-flats-as-values-fall" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/editors-picks/2205756/Flood-of-cheap-flats-as-values-fall</a></p>
<p>Auckland&#8217;s inner-city property market is about to be flooded with up to 1000 cheap apartments, with distressed owners having to sell for half the amount they paid little more than two years ago, a real estate agent warns. Real estate advertisements declaring &#8220;city steal &#8230; vendor quits&#8221;, &#8220;downtown waterfront suite abandoned&#8221;, &#8220;vacant and abandoned&#8221; and &#8220;mortgagee wants this gone&#8221; indicate the state of the market.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.snip<br />
&#8220;The banks are being very, very cautious,&#8221; she said. &#8220;They are pessimists, they believe the prices are going to fall even further.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;snip</p>
<p>All of which is very interesting, in terms of the complete reversal from a year or two ago, when it was argued that small cheap flats were the answer to NZ&#8217;s housing woes.  Its very noticeable that the owners clearly don&#8217;t want to have to live in these squalid little holes themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: starkive</title>
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		<dc:creator>starkive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over here in the not-for-profit (no, really) sector, the outlook is doubly confusing. We have all the usual market entrails to sort through and cash-flow worries to sleep with, but what to make of highly mixed government signals like &quot;value for money&quot; posses operating under an assurance of &quot;no cuts for the cultural sector&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over here in the not-for-profit (no, really) sector, the outlook is doubly confusing. We have all the usual market entrails to sort through and cash-flow worries to sleep with, but what to make of highly mixed government signals like &#8220;value for money&#8221; posses operating under an assurance of &#8220;no cuts for the cultural sector&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/recession-pah-ride-a-bike-instead/#comment-6067</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re right about the headlines. Paper today says &quot;House Prices Down, Sellers &#039;Realistic&#039; &quot;
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2129966/House-prices-down-sellers-realistic

Wellington QV spokesman Kerry Buckeridge said.......

&quot;The property market will need a considerable lift in sales-volume before any price recovery can commence. We don&#039;t expect to see such a lift any time soon, given domestic job-security issues and the international economic situation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re right about the headlines. Paper today says &#8220;House Prices Down, Sellers &#8216;Realistic&#8217; &#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2129966/House-prices-down-sellers-realistic" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2129966/House-prices-down-sellers-realistic</a></p>
<p>Wellington QV spokesman Kerry Buckeridge said&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The property market will need a considerable lift in sales-volume before any price recovery can commence. We don&#8217;t expect to see such a lift any time soon, given domestic job-security issues and the international economic situation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DeepRed</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/recession-pah-ride-a-bike-instead/#comment-6026</link>
		<dc:creator>DeepRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the venerable sharemarket analyst Brian Gaynor, a similar incidence of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10544382&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abandoned cars bought on credit was happening in Dublin&lt;/a&gt;.

Personally, I think NZ would be headed towards an Icelandic default if it takes money out of opportunities to bolster innovation and the sharemarket, and giving it to people to help them keep up with the Joneses and further dig deeper in the hole known as the current accout debt. It&#039;s all well and good for people to say it&#039;s their god-given right to keep up with the Joneses - unless of course, the Joneses have just been visited by the repo men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the venerable sharemarket analyst Brian Gaynor, a similar incidence of <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10544382" rel="nofollow">abandoned cars bought on credit was happening in Dublin</a>.</p>
<p>Personally, I think NZ would be headed towards an Icelandic default if it takes money out of opportunities to bolster innovation and the sharemarket, and giving it to people to help them keep up with the Joneses and further dig deeper in the hole known as the current accout debt. It&#8217;s all well and good for people to say it&#8217;s their god-given right to keep up with the Joneses &#8211; unless of course, the Joneses have just been visited by the repo men.</p>
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