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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8360</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 23:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rand Corp and Reptoids?  That&#039;s creepy. There&#039;s not a trace of irony there at all - surely they can&#039;t be serious - and if they are - whoa !  That&#039;s a pretty screwed up belief system right there!  Makes Creationists appear quite sane...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand Corp and Reptoids?  That&#8217;s creepy. There&#8217;s not a trace of irony there at all &#8211; surely they can&#8217;t be serious &#8211; and if they are &#8211; whoa !  That&#8217;s a pretty screwed up belief system right there!  Makes Creationists appear quite sane&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jayseatee</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8312</link>
		<dc:creator>jayseatee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What New Zealand needs to do is to get the Rand Corporation in, in alliance with the reptoids, to build one of these 14,000 mph high speed rail tunnel systems.
http://www.reptoids.com/Vault/AllNewArticles/Tunnelsandshuttles.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What New Zealand needs to do is to get the Rand Corporation in, in alliance with the reptoids, to build one of these 14,000 mph high speed rail tunnel systems.<br />
<a href="http://www.reptoids.com/Vault/AllNewArticles/Tunnelsandshuttles.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.reptoids.com/Vault/AllNewArticles/Tunnelsandshuttles.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: jayseatee</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8311</link>
		<dc:creator>jayseatee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI there is a tunnel under the pentagon (an officially recognised one).  It&#039;s part of the washington metro rail system.  Not sure how much it cost tho...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_(Washington_Metro)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI there is a tunnel under the pentagon (an officially recognised one).  It&#8217;s part of the washington metro rail system.  Not sure how much it cost tho&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_(Washington_Metro)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_(Washington_Metro)</a></p>
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		<title>By: m-d</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8309</link>
		<dc:creator>m-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 05:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the Mt Albert project will mean that there will not be a Transmission Gully one. While I always viewed the TGM as an expensive white elephant, this outcome can hardly be considered a victory for common sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the Mt Albert project will mean that there will not be a Transmission Gully one. While I always viewed the TGM as an expensive white elephant, this outcome can hardly be considered a victory for common sense!</p>
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		<title>By: erentz</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8308</link>
		<dc:creator>erentz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 05:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TGM, last estimated to cost $1.025 billion, at approximately 27 km: $38 million per kilometer.

Tunnel under the Pentagon: priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TGM, last estimated to cost $1.025 billion, at approximately 27 km: $38 million per kilometer.</p>
<p>Tunnel under the Pentagon: priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Honeywood</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8305</link>
		<dc:creator>Honeywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the numbers for transmission gully (cost or distance) but is there someone out there that can do the math and compare it with the Mt Albert tunnel (and/or other options)?  Maximus?  Keen to stay up all night ?  if you&#039;ve got time left over you could work out the cost of a tunnel underneath the Pentagon.. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the numbers for transmission gully (cost or distance) but is there someone out there that can do the math and compare it with the Mt Albert tunnel (and/or other options)?  Maximus?  Keen to stay up all night ?  if you&#8217;ve got time left over you could work out the cost of a tunnel underneath the Pentagon.. .</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8301</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction, I should have noted the $1.974billion figure from the Transit table in my above rant - which is the figure that I used to generate the $800Million difference between the two schemes.

Anyway, here&#039;s a little further perspective:
1 tunnel ($1.974Billion) divided by 1 Wellington Hospital ($250Million) equals 7.8... (the number of new hospitals that could be built for the cost of this tunnel)...

The difference between the two proposed schemes is the cost of building 3 hospitals (with a bit of spare change left over...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction, I should have noted the $1.974billion figure from the Transit table in my above rant &#8211; which is the figure that I used to generate the $800Million difference between the two schemes.</p>
<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s a little further perspective:<br />
1 tunnel ($1.974Billion) divided by 1 Wellington Hospital ($250Million) equals 7.8&#8230; (the number of new hospitals that could be built for the cost of this tunnel)&#8230;</p>
<p>The difference between the two proposed schemes is the cost of building 3 hospitals (with a bit of spare change left over&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: rondo</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8299</link>
		<dc:creator>rondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not too worried whether its a National or Labour promoted scheme - more concerned what the best result would be for Aucklanders and their traffic experiences. Is a tunnel going to really give that many advantages? What if there was a crash in the tunnel and it caught on fire? Are there escape routes built into it? Air vents? 

Yes, a tunnel would be nicely tucked away below ground and out of sight and beyond the audible barrier - but are there other side effects for Mt Albert?  (Apart of course from Melissa Lee&#039;s hilarious gaffe / crime theory - build motorways in tunnels ! Reduce Crime ! )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too worried whether its a National or Labour promoted scheme &#8211; more concerned what the best result would be for Aucklanders and their traffic experiences. Is a tunnel going to really give that many advantages? What if there was a crash in the tunnel and it caught on fire? Are there escape routes built into it? Air vents? </p>
<p>Yes, a tunnel would be nicely tucked away below ground and out of sight and beyond the audible barrier &#8211; but are there other side effects for Mt Albert?  (Apart of course from Melissa Lee&#8217;s hilarious gaffe / crime theory &#8211; build motorways in tunnels ! Reduce Crime ! )</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the link to the Transit powerpoint with the proposed costs of each option (go to the 11th slide):
http://www.transit.govt.nz/projects/waterviewconnection/resources/pdf/Waterview%20presentation%2013%20May_1.pdf

Labour&#039;s scheme is $2.77Billion, for a 48km stretch of road - I asked my friend Google, and got the following result: 2770 million divided by 48 = 57 708 333.3 - so &#039;only&#039; $57Million per kilometer. I&#039;m not sure if the Land Transport figures include the cost of importing a couple of machines...?

So, the National Party option of $1.165 billion saves $800 Million on the Labour scheme, plus, it is financed from National Land Transport Fund - MONEY THAT IS GENERATED FROM ROAD-USERS (and it should be pointed out that the total nationwide road building budget last year was $1.2 billion - which puts this project into quite some perspective!). 

Why the residents of Mt Albert should be lavished with a nation&#039;s worth of road spending is beyond me anyway, but to add extra funding - and Labour have not indicated where it is to come from - is truly beyond the pale. If it is to be borrowed, then we have extra borrowing costs. If it is from tax revenue, then in the current climate of a decade&#039;s worth of structural deficit, we are looking at significant cuts to other social spending (education anyone? Health, who needs it?) - or perhaps even the raising of taxes. 

Put it this way, Labour&#039;s deep tunnel scheme, consumes $1,752  of my household income (if we use a simple but slightly dubious per capita calculation of $438 per NZer), for a project that i will see no benefit from? I can tell you is a significant amount of money in the today&#039;s climate. I don&#039;t mind the concept of social spending - but Labour have this all wrong - this is a luxury for Mt Albert that we (NZ) can ill-afford. Methinks they are sacrificing too much to win a dear seat, for the sake of sentiment and form, than actually having an eye for national interests, and this may actually come back to bite them in the run up to the next election.

But I do have a proposal for Labour (only partially tongue in cheek): the first $1.16Billion be funded from tolls on the new section of road, with the additional $800Million drawn from those local residents who would like to have the road in a deep tunnel. User-pays has never been so beautiful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the link to the Transit powerpoint with the proposed costs of each option (go to the 11th slide):<br />
<a href="http://www.transit.govt.nz/projects/waterviewconnection/resources/pdf/Waterview%20presentation%2013%20May_1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.transit.govt.nz/projects/waterviewconnection/resources/pdf/Waterview%20presentation%2013%20May_1.pdf</a></p>
<p>Labour&#8217;s scheme is $2.77Billion, for a 48km stretch of road &#8211; I asked my friend Google, and got the following result: 2770 million divided by 48 = 57 708 333.3 &#8211; so &#8216;only&#8217; $57Million per kilometer. I&#8217;m not sure if the Land Transport figures include the cost of importing a couple of machines&#8230;?</p>
<p>So, the National Party option of $1.165 billion saves $800 Million on the Labour scheme, plus, it is financed from National Land Transport Fund &#8211; MONEY THAT IS GENERATED FROM ROAD-USERS (and it should be pointed out that the total nationwide road building budget last year was $1.2 billion &#8211; which puts this project into quite some perspective!). </p>
<p>Why the residents of Mt Albert should be lavished with a nation&#8217;s worth of road spending is beyond me anyway, but to add extra funding &#8211; and Labour have not indicated where it is to come from &#8211; is truly beyond the pale. If it is to be borrowed, then we have extra borrowing costs. If it is from tax revenue, then in the current climate of a decade&#8217;s worth of structural deficit, we are looking at significant cuts to other social spending (education anyone? Health, who needs it?) &#8211; or perhaps even the raising of taxes. </p>
<p>Put it this way, Labour&#8217;s deep tunnel scheme, consumes $1,752  of my household income (if we use a simple but slightly dubious per capita calculation of $438 per NZer), for a project that i will see no benefit from? I can tell you is a significant amount of money in the today&#8217;s climate. I don&#8217;t mind the concept of social spending &#8211; but Labour have this all wrong &#8211; this is a luxury for Mt Albert that we (NZ) can ill-afford. Methinks they are sacrificing too much to win a dear seat, for the sake of sentiment and form, than actually having an eye for national interests, and this may actually come back to bite them in the run up to the next election.</p>
<p>But I do have a proposal for Labour (only partially tongue in cheek): the first $1.16Billion be funded from tolls on the new section of road, with the additional $800Million drawn from those local residents who would like to have the road in a deep tunnel. User-pays has never been so beautiful!</p>
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		<title>By: Honeywood</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/motorway-fever/#comment-8294</link>
		<dc:creator>Honeywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps they should get the machine and then use it afterwards to drill a few more well-placed tunnels for a light rail ssytem through central Auckland, making efficient use of the $50m - or would that be too lateral for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps they should get the machine and then use it afterwards to drill a few more well-placed tunnels for a light rail ssytem through central Auckland, making efficient use of the $50m &#8211; or would that be too lateral for them?</p>
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