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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15266</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m-d   &#8220;In hindsight, organizations such as Arch centre could well have used something like this to create a campaign of public architectural/design education. Opportunities of this nature are few and far between…&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll no doubt be pleased to hear that the Arch Centre has indeed got a posting on this very subject:</p>
<p><a href="http://architecture.org.nz/2010/01/25/primo-surpremo-architectural-justice/" rel="nofollow">http://architecture.org.nz/2010/01/25/primo-surpremo-architectural-justice/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15200</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>time for a bit of support i think !   letter to the Dom Post today (Thurs):
&quot;Letter: I applaud the architects:
&quot;I&#039;ve read with interest the many letters deriding the new Supreme Court building. Recently, I was admiring the new courthouse and the wonderful restoration of the adjacent old High Court.

I had no idea how interesting the interior design was till I saw the photos. When I remember all the interesting old buildings that have been demolished along Lambton Quay - take the Midland Hotel - I feel sad. Were they demolished in the name of &quot;earthquake risk&quot; or maybe that old Kiwi idea that anything old should be modernised?

The $80 million budget is nothing compared to the billions wasted on bland architecture, which has made many of our towns and cities boring. Whether one loves or hates the design of this spectacular building, the fact that it has caused controversy and debate makes it money well spent.

I applaud the architects&#039; design, imagination, and courage.

STEPHEN POWELL, Khandallah&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>time for a bit of support i think !   letter to the Dom Post today (Thurs):<br />
&#8220;Letter: I applaud the architects:<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;ve read with interest the many letters deriding the new Supreme Court building. Recently, I was admiring the new courthouse and the wonderful restoration of the adjacent old High Court.</p>
<p>I had no idea how interesting the interior design was till I saw the photos. When I remember all the interesting old buildings that have been demolished along Lambton Quay &#8211; take the Midland Hotel &#8211; I feel sad. Were they demolished in the name of &#8220;earthquake risk&#8221; or maybe that old Kiwi idea that anything old should be modernised?</p>
<p>The $80 million budget is nothing compared to the billions wasted on bland architecture, which has made many of our towns and cities boring. Whether one loves or hates the design of this spectacular building, the fact that it has caused controversy and debate makes it money well spent.</p>
<p>I applaud the architects&#8217; design, imagination, and courage.</p>
<p>STEPHEN POWELL, Khandallah&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15198</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, the uninformed ones writing in salacious comments to kiwi-blog are getting their facts wrong. For instance:<br />
#  labrator (614) Says:  &#8220;That’s my point dazzaman, plain concrete columns are purely structural. The ancient Greeks knew that you can make structural items attractive to look at, the architects here didn’t or couldn’t. Even Auckland made an attempt at beautifying their solid concrete motorway crash barriers!&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the things I found interesting in my trip to the Supreme Court was that there actually IS a bit of entasis in the concrete columns &#8211; there is a beautiful soft curve up the column, instead of the usual boring old straight cylinder. Very nice Roy. I like that. </p>
<p>Labrator (614 comments &#8211; yee gods) is also a bit off centre with the comment re solid crash barriers. Personally, I think the crash barriers up there are hopelessly twiddled upon by endless doodling. Swoopy this, scratchy that &#8211; they&#8217;d be better off without all that tat. Still, it gives the motorists something to look at when they&#8217;re stuck in a jam&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: m-d</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15196</link>
		<dc:creator>m-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and they keep on coming:</p>
<p>Nefarious (387) Says:<br />
This morning’s shit was more visually appealing than that fucking monstrosity. Even after a curry last night.<br />
Architects in NZ all seem to have been trained by a combination of Tracy Emin, the bloke who threw shit at canvas and Stevie Wonder but the biggest travesty is some visually impaired fuckwit signed off the cheque for this thing. Without laughing in Warren and Mahoney’s collective face and saying “You are taking the piss, aren’t you?”</p>
<p>Angus (312) Says:<br />
What is it about Wellington which give architects cause to flock there and take the piss?<br />
* The Beehive<br />
* The Cake Tin.<br />
* Te Papa<br />
* The Supreme Court</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15193</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the kiwiblog comments section quoted above:<br />
labrator :     &#8220;Concrete columns aren’t architectural in any way, they’re structural.&#8221;</p>
<p>RRM (1724) Says  in response to that:<br />
&#8220;THESE concrete columns really really are structural! They support the entire weight of the first floor and the roof.</p>
<p>I’m not really qualified or competent to comment on the architecture. I don’t think it looks any good at all. (Though if the reality had matched the artist’s impression it would have been pretty cool.)</p>
<p>But in New Zealand in the 21st century we don’t need any more fake Greek temples.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: m-d</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15187</link>
		<dc:creator>m-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, dpf is a Wellingtonian - one of us...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, dpf is a Wellingtonian &#8211; one of us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15186</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re a brave reader indeed to go reading kiwiblog m-d !   
And it reinforces everything I was saying about the public making moronic comments:

&quot;I do not think you could design a more hideous building if you actually tried to.&quot;

and this coming from a man who lives in Auckland....    has he not looked around his city at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re a brave reader indeed to go reading kiwiblog m-d !<br />
And it reinforces everything I was saying about the public making moronic comments:</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not think you could design a more hideous building if you actually tried to.&#8221;</p>
<p>and this coming from a man who lives in Auckland&#8230;.    has he not looked around his city at all?</p>
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		<title>By: m-d</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15184</link>
		<dc:creator>m-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh - and here is the solution: http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/jan/20/bournemouth-imax-building-demolition</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh &#8211; and here is the solution: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/jan/20/bournemouth-imax-building-demolition" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/jan/20/bournemouth-imax-building-demolition</a></p>
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		<title>By: m-d</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15183</link>
		<dc:creator>m-d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, even David Farrar has blessed us with his opinion of the building (admittedly, only its exterior):<br />
&#8220;But it is far worse than that. It is truly hideous. I don’t think I have seen a building before with no redeeming features. The exterior up top looks like barbed wire from a distance. The windows are dull. The pillars add nothing, and it is again just hideous.<br />
In case I have not made myself clear, I do not think you could design a more hideous building if you actually tried to. If there was some global competition for hideous buildings, then the Supreme Court building would be a finalist beyond doubt.<br />
The monstrosity surrounding the building is meant to be “a bronze screen depicting the strength, durability and stature of the pohutukawa and rata tree”. Only if you have taken P recently.&#8221;</p>
<p>The comments from his rabid supporters are more interesting though, at times equally partisan, bigoted, chauvinist, ignorant, and hilarious&#8230; (what you expect from a normal kiwiblog thread&#8230;). Here are some &#8216;highlights&#8217;:</p>
<p>Jack5 (1430) Says:<br />
Tour guide to Wellington visitors in 2020:<br />
“And so visitors, looking at these buildings, you can see how Wellington gave rise to the new architectural trend or school of New Zealand — the Tepaparazzi.”</p>
<p>noskire (226) Says:<br />
Who are the architects?<br />
New Zealand architectural firm, Warren and Mahoney are the architects of the Supreme Court building. Warren and Mahoney have been practicing for half a century.<br />
Maybe it’s time they stopped practicing and looked for another job.</p>
<p>Doug (126) Says:<br />
The building has been designed in accordance with sustainable design policies and with low energy use in mind.<br />
At least the greens will be happy, we have disposed of six months worth of scrap metal.</p>
<p>noskire (226) Says:<br />
Guantanomo Bay? <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/guantanamo.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/guantanamo.jpg</a></p>
<p>kiwireader (42) Says:<br />
Stop worrying readers, they have simply forgot to take the scaffolding off. I’m sure what’s underneath will be a spectacular tribute to the architect…<br />
<a href="http://www.freefoto.com/images/13/44/13_44_58—Scaffolding_web.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.freefoto.com/images/13/44/13_44_58—Scaffolding_web.jpg</a></p>
<p>vibenna (133) Says:<br />
This was the original brief: “People are always complaining about lacklustre government architecture, even saying that the Beehive is the worst building in Wellington. I want you to design something that will prove them wrong.”</p>
<p>John Ansell (455) Says:<br />
Much as we’d all love to trumpet another worldbeating Kiwi design effort, sadly we must face the fact that our new monument to the Clark government is only the second ugliest public building on the planet: <a href="http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/new-supreme-court-not-worlds-ugliest/" rel="nofollow">http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/new-supreme-court-not-worlds-ugliest/</a><br />
Locally it’s a worthy rival for Te Aro Park, the Beehive and Te Papa.</p>
<p>tvb (655) Says:<br />
People should suspend their judgements until the scaffolding is removed.</p>
<p>Peter (198) Says:<br />
I like it.</p>
<p>Poliwatch (144) Says:<br />
Is there any truth to the rumour that the archittects have applied to the Court for name suppression? </p>
<p>Fletch (785) Says:<br />
New Zealand seems to have this curse in designing, well, anything….</p>
<p>If you are bold enough to venture where no sane person should tread: <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/hideous.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/hideous.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/big-willy-in-town/#comment-15167</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m-d  that&#8217;s a great link to the pundit site &#8211; pity they don&#8217;t have more commentary there, as there are some interesting writers evident. David Beatson&#8217;s commentary on pundit is harsh, but still amusing, and possibly accurate. He says:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;.The only sour note of the day was the Supreme Court building itself. </p>
<p>From the street, it looks like a jungle-engulfed Mayan temple. Inside, the main court chamber is housed within a soaring silver beech-clad cone, capped by glass to admit the light of the sun or the moon. It seems well-suited to the ritual disembowelment of the off-spring of the judges’ near neighbours, the fastest legislators in the west.</p>
<p>We are indebted to the architects for the explanation that the exterior cladding and the interior cone are inspired by the pohutukawa. It would have been difficult to make that link. It is also a relief to know that the tangled [recycled] bronze tendrils shrouding the building have been designed to be bird-proof and wind-proof. Both will be safe from entrapment.</p>
<p>This 21st century judicial landmark squats like a metallic cane toad alongside the charming, old High Court building that was constructed in 1880, closed in 1992 and neglected for years. Restoration of the old building cost about as much as the construction of the new neighbor that hangs from its side like a giant lean-to. It is almost impossible to understand why it could not have been adapted and sympathetically expanded to serve as the Supreme Court. Apparently, its category “A” historic places rating means its bench cannot be altered to accommodate the panel of five judges where three used to sit, and its jury box and prisoner dock cannot be removed. We are left to wonder why laws or regulations like this can’t be changed when so many others can be annulled or amended as quickly as they were passed in the first place.&#8221;</p>
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