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		<title>By: temporary</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-14846</link>
		<dc:creator>temporary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t that the future site of a sports centre: &quot;The centre at Cobham Park is now estimated to cost $46 million...It is likely it would be completed by February 2010&quot; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wellington.govt.nz/news/display-item.php?id=2950&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wellington.govt.nz/news/display-item...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;my guess is that the barriers are temporary while they&#039;re doing the construction. anyone seen the building designs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#39;t that the future site of a sports centre: &#8220;The centre at Cobham Park is now estimated to cost $46 million&#8230;It is likely it would be completed by February 2010&#8243; &#8211; <a href="http://www.wellington.govt.nz/news/display-item.php?id=2950" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.wellington.govt.nz/news/display-item.." rel="nofollow">http://www.wellington.govt.nz/news/display-item..</a>.<br />my guess is that the barriers are temporary while they&#39;re doing the construction. anyone seen the building designs?</p>
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		<title>By: Maximus</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-3456</link>
		<dc:creator>Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its been purpose designed as a new retail outlet for Big Save Furniture - twas in the DomPost, but i can&#039;t find the reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its been purpose designed as a new retail outlet for Big Save Furniture &#8211; twas in the DomPost, but i can&#8217;t find the reference.</p>
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		<title>By: rondo</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-2793</link>
		<dc:creator>rondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M-D : not issue 17, it&#039;s in issue 18 (not on the website yet), where it says:
&quot;The practice has matured to become one of New Zealand&#039;s leading architectural firms with offices in Wellington and Auckland with projects throughout the country. Offering expertise in unique, specialised buildings and innovative solutions to site or brief specific problems, our team of 32 staff are experts in creating buildings and spaces that bring life and vitality to difficult planning exercises...  ...We are passionate about working together with our clients to create inspirational design.&quot;

Hmmm. You&#039;re right. I&#039;ve been had.  &quot;Our staff&quot;   and &quot;We are passionate&quot; do certainly seem to say that ArcHaus write their own articles - which is a pity, because the Audi / Porsche building is a lovely building, and I&#039;m sure they could have found someone else to write an article about that building. But I would challenge them to find someone to write some nice words about other projects of theirs, like this one on Cobham Drive. 

On the other hand, I&#039;m very excited to hear that they are passionate architects and keen to create inspirational design.   &#039;Concrete&#039; - you listening? Inspire us mate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M-D : not issue 17, it&#8217;s in issue 18 (not on the website yet), where it says:<br />
&#8220;The practice has matured to become one of New Zealand&#8217;s leading architectural firms with offices in Wellington and Auckland with projects throughout the country. Offering expertise in unique, specialised buildings and innovative solutions to site or brief specific problems, our team of 32 staff are experts in creating buildings and spaces that bring life and vitality to difficult planning exercises&#8230;  &#8230;We are passionate about working together with our clients to create inspirational design.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm. You&#8217;re right. I&#8217;ve been had.  &#8220;Our staff&#8221;   and &#8220;We are passionate&#8221; do certainly seem to say that ArcHaus write their own articles &#8211; which is a pity, because the Audi / Porsche building is a lovely building, and I&#8217;m sure they could have found someone else to write an article about that building. But I would challenge them to find someone to write some nice words about other projects of theirs, like this one on Cobham Drive. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;m very excited to hear that they are passionate architects and keen to create inspirational design.   &#8216;Concrete&#8217; &#8211; you listening? Inspire us mate!</p>
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		<title>By: M-D</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-2788</link>
		<dc:creator>M-D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Slab, I saw those images also, and was less than impressed - I was hoping for something a little more &#039;concrete&#039; to go on... Mind you, it is the trend for retail centres to come out as devoid of architectural design quality as their concept renderings are...

Incidentally, I checked out the &#039;leading&#039; claim, which is in fact a little misleading - I can&#039;t find Archaus being referred to as leading architects in the cited article 
( http://www.metalroofing.org.nz/SCOPE%20Magazine%20PDF/Scope%2017.pdf ) 
- in fact, it appears that the client wrote the piece, as it is all glowing about Audi rather than the actual architects of the building...

As it so happens, JasMax take the &#039;leading&#039; mantle in that particular publication, with a quasi-John Scott rip-off, with what appears to be a cringe-inducing interior if the images are anything to go by...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Slab, I saw those images also, and was less than impressed &#8211; I was hoping for something a little more &#8216;concrete&#8217; to go on&#8230; Mind you, it is the trend for retail centres to come out as devoid of architectural design quality as their concept renderings are&#8230;</p>
<p>Incidentally, I checked out the &#8216;leading&#8217; claim, which is in fact a little misleading &#8211; I can&#8217;t find Archaus being referred to as leading architects in the cited article<br />
( <a href="http://www.metalroofing.org.nz/SCOPE%20Magazine%20PDF/Scope%2017.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.metalroofing.org.nz/SCOPE%20Magazine%20PDF/Scope%2017.pdf</a> )<br />
- in fact, it appears that the client wrote the piece, as it is all glowing about Audi rather than the actual architects of the building&#8230;</p>
<p>As it so happens, JasMax take the &#8216;leading&#8217; mantle in that particular publication, with a quasi-John Scott rip-off, with what appears to be a cringe-inducing interior if the images are anything to go by&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Slab</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-2787</link>
		<dc:creator>Slab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mind you, Concrete implies this is unfinished, so perhaps someone could set the rabble straight with the drawings for the final design…&quot;

The first image at http://archaus.co.nz/projects/project.php?pid=20 shows that the upper floor will have some actual windows (for restaurant and offices, according to the sales site), but it looks like apart from some surface treatments the ground floor will remain blank. The Tacy St side looks bad in a different way: the typical big box set behind a sea of car parking. It&#039;s not the architecture that&#039;s the chief problem, it&#039;s the approach to urban design: I hear that another of Welly&#039;s &quot;leading architectural practices&quot; is working on just the same typology down the road at the airport. But then again, I hear that &quot;Big is Good&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mind you, Concrete implies this is unfinished, so perhaps someone could set the rabble straight with the drawings for the final design…&#8221;</p>
<p>The first image at <a href="http://archaus.co.nz/projects/project.php?pid=20" rel="nofollow">http://archaus.co.nz/projects/project.php?pid=20</a> shows that the upper floor will have some actual windows (for restaurant and offices, according to the sales site), but it looks like apart from some surface treatments the ground floor will remain blank. The Tacy St side looks bad in a different way: the typical big box set behind a sea of car parking. It&#8217;s not the architecture that&#8217;s the chief problem, it&#8217;s the approach to urban design: I hear that another of Welly&#8217;s &#8220;leading architectural practices&#8221; is working on just the same typology down the road at the airport. But then again, I hear that &#8220;Big is Good&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: M-D</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-2786</link>
		<dc:creator>M-D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concrete - you don&#039;t have to look far to see better ways of handling the location - how &#039;bout next door even. The Placemakers building might be fairly banal itself, but it provides rhythm, proportional modulation, robustness, all while being low-cost, and streets ahead of the above example in terms of street appeal. Yes, right next door - an award winning building in its day, designed as a warehouse - yes, a warehouse with a tonne more style than this proposed retail centre...

Methinks the retail centre architects do need a few prods in the right direction if they cannot even see beyond their own site boundaries....

G-R-I-M indeed...

Mind you, Concrete implies this is unfinished, so perhaps someone could set the rabble straight with the drawings for the final design...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concrete &#8211; you don&#8217;t have to look far to see better ways of handling the location &#8211; how &#8217;bout next door even. The Placemakers building might be fairly banal itself, but it provides rhythm, proportional modulation, robustness, all while being low-cost, and streets ahead of the above example in terms of street appeal. Yes, right next door &#8211; an award winning building in its day, designed as a warehouse &#8211; yes, a warehouse with a tonne more style than this proposed retail centre&#8230;</p>
<p>Methinks the retail centre architects do need a few prods in the right direction if they cannot even see beyond their own site boundaries&#8230;.</p>
<p>G-R-I-M indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>Mind you, Concrete implies this is unfinished, so perhaps someone could set the rabble straight with the drawings for the final design&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rondo</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-2783</link>
		<dc:creator>rondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re “…leading architectural practices like Archaus….” - no, said seriously. It says so in the latest Scope magazine - apparently ArcHaus are great.  Why - have you heard otherwise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re “…leading architectural practices like Archaus….” &#8211; no, said seriously. It says so in the latest Scope magazine &#8211; apparently ArcHaus are great.  Why &#8211; have you heard otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-2781</link>
		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...leading architectural practices like Archaus....&quot;

I hope that was said with tongue firmly in cheek....

and yes, I agree, peer reviews are a good thing. too often people get caught in their little worlds without putting their heads up. they need to hear what people have to say every now and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;leading architectural practices like Archaus&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope that was said with tongue firmly in cheek&#8230;.</p>
<p>and yes, I agree, peer reviews are a good thing. too often people get caught in their little worlds without putting their heads up. they need to hear what people have to say every now and again.</p>
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		<title>By: rondo</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-2770</link>
		<dc:creator>rondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, &#039;Concrete&#039;, i think you might be a little off track there mate. I suspect that most of the commentators on this website are quite experienced in architecture and very familiar with the District Plan etc. Not all, but certainly quite a few.  So any comments advanced here should be viewed as, shall we say, a peer review?  Even leading architectural practices like ArcHaus need to listen to a review now and then...

Obviously, yes, its a difficult site, with no access allowed onto Cobham Drive, and a budget driven developer. But there&#039;s more than one way to skin a cat, or in this case, a bulk retail outlet. Its a big blank facade - that could have been treated so many different ways. 

If you were the designer - and if you had your chance to do it again - what would you do differently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, &#8216;Concrete&#8217;, i think you might be a little off track there mate. I suspect that most of the commentators on this website are quite experienced in architecture and very familiar with the District Plan etc. Not all, but certainly quite a few.  So any comments advanced here should be viewed as, shall we say, a peer review?  Even leading architectural practices like ArcHaus need to listen to a review now and then&#8230;</p>
<p>Obviously, yes, its a difficult site, with no access allowed onto Cobham Drive, and a budget driven developer. But there&#8217;s more than one way to skin a cat, or in this case, a bulk retail outlet. Its a big blank facade &#8211; that could have been treated so many different ways. </p>
<p>If you were the designer &#8211; and if you had your chance to do it again &#8211; what would you do differently?</p>
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		<title>By: mobsta</title>
		<link>http://eyeofthefish.org/banalitecture/#comment-2768</link>
		<dc:creator>mobsta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm... concrete - a touch defensive aren&#039;t we?

perhaps you would like to own up to being the author of this work, because your post certainly intimates it (or maybe you&#039;re sleeping with the author....whatever...)

I&#039;m not sure you do your argument any good by resorting to personal attacks. It makes you lack credibility...
There actually hasn&#039;t been much slagging going on during this post, just a few comments on the appropriateness of the design and the concrete wall to the (sub)urban condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230; concrete &#8211; a touch defensive aren&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>perhaps you would like to own up to being the author of this work, because your post certainly intimates it (or maybe you&#8217;re sleeping with the author&#8230;.whatever&#8230;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure you do your argument any good by resorting to personal attacks. It makes you lack credibility&#8230;<br />
There actually hasn&#8217;t been much slagging going on during this post, just a few comments on the appropriateness of the design and the concrete wall to the (sub)urban condition.</p>
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